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How One Customer Interview Completely Transformed This Startup's Trajectory

What does it take to build a game-changing product for MSPs? James Farrow shares how a single interview reshaped Cyft’s trajectory, adding depth, focus, and a clear path to predictable growth.

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The art of successful startups isn't just in building the right product—it's in listening, pivoting, and solving real problems.

In this episode of Audience 1st Podcast, I sat down with James Farrow, co-founder of Cyft, (also a great friend and Audience 1st advocate since day one) to explore the intricate dance of startup growth, MSP market demands, and the mindset shifts required for success.

We covered everything from Cyft’s pivot from the MDR market to MSPs, to how a single user interview transformed the company’s trajectory.

James opened up about the emotional and operational challenges of building a startup, including how personal relationships fuel professional growth.

He also shared his mental models for approaching complex decisions, including first-principles thinking and inversion, and gave a glimpse into what’s next for Cyft as they scale their offerings.

This conversation is one of the more raw episodes I've had with a special guest, insightful, and packed with actionable advice for anyone building a business, especially in B2B tech.

Whether you’re pivoting, scaling, or just trying to stay true to your mission, James’ journey is a blueprint for thoughtful growth.

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Insights and Key Takeaways

The Role of Listening in the Startup Ecosystem

Customer-centricity is a buzzword for many companies, but for James, it’s the backbone of his startup's transformation.

Cyft initially targeted the Managed Detection and Response (MDR) space but pivoted to focus on serving MSPs after realizing that success lies in solving their operational pains, not just selling them tools.

What sets James apart as a founder is his acute ability to listen—not just for feedback but for game-changing insights.

His approach turned a single customer interview into an organizational blueprint.

A Single Interview That Redefined Product Vision

James’ journey shifted dramatically during an interview with Jeff Newton, a seasoned MSP professional with 18 years of experience.

Initially, it was just another user interview we were running to get insights about Jeff’s pain operating as a pro in the MSP space.

But Jeff’s depth of understanding and ability to articulate the MSP’s challenges was a revelation for James and his team.

“I got off the call and said to my co-founder, ‘This is the guy. We need him on our team.’”

James Farrow

James didn’t just recognize talent—he saw the depth of lived experience and its value in crafting tools that genuinely resonate with MSPs.

Jeff’s eventual role as a co-founder brought the necessary operational credibility that skyrocketed Cyft’s trust in the MSP community.

MSPs Need More Than Software—They Need Problem Solvers

The initial iteration of Cyft focused on voice-powered tools for CRM updates—a useful but limited concept.

Through conversations with MSPs, including Jeff, the team realized that operations needed more comprehensive support.

James’ insight into the market revealed a significant gap:

MSPs weren’t just buying tools—they were searching for frictionless solutions to simplify processes and improve outcomes.

By deeply understanding the use cases of ConnectWise users, Cyft pivoted to offer structured, voice-driven workflows that eliminated operational headaches and delivered real value.

Trust Is a Product Feature in the MSP Space

MSPs operate in an ecosystem where reputation is currency and tools are either deeply trusted or entirely rejected.

Cyft’s success hinges on the credibility brought by Jeff, a veteran who lived the pain points they aimed to solve.

“He’s not just an outsider selling products—they trust him because he’s been in their shoes, solving the same problems.”

James Farrow

Jeff’s insider knowledge transformed Cyft’s outreach and adoption.

Cold emails now lead to demos and paying customers in a matter of days—a testament to the power of authenticity in driving sales.

Building Solutions That Solve Today’s—and Tomorrow’s—Problems

Cyft’s product development isn’t about chasing features but anticipating challenges.

After solving CRM inefficiencies with voice-driven tools, they identified potential issues like data bloat.

Instead of waiting for complaints, they proactively structured data inputs to ensure scalability.

Jamses’ team applies mental models like first-principles thinking to consistently evolve the product:

“What problems is our solution creating, and how do we solve those before they become issues?”

James Farrow

What is first-principles thinking?

The first-principles thinking is a problem-solving approach that breaks down complex problems into their most basic, fundamental elements.

By stripping away assumptions and preconceived notions, you get to the "first principles," or the foundational truths that cannot be reduced further.

This mental model allows you to rebuild solutions from the ground up, using these core truths to explore new, innovative approaches.

How It Works

  1. Identify Assumptions: Start by listing all assumptions about the problem, whether explicit or implicit.

  2. Challenge Assumptions: Question whether each assumption is true and necessary.

  3. Deconstruct the Problem: Break it down into its most basic elements, using questions like "Why is this true?" or "What is this based on?"

  4. Build from First Principles: Reconstruct the solution by reasoning up from these fundamental truths, rather than relying on traditional methods or existing frameworks.

Why It’s Powerful

First-principles thinking prevents "groupthink" or the trap of building incrementally on flawed or outdated systems.

It opens up opportunities for breakthroughs by allowing you to consider unconventional, but fundamentally sound, solutions.

This clarity is particularly valuable in fields like cybersecurity, engineering, or business strategy, where complex challenges often require radical rethinking.

Key Takeaways for GTM Teams:

  1. Listen Beyond the Surface: A single deep-dive interview can reshape your product roadmap and unlock market potential.

  2. Focus on Operational Outcomes: MSPs and similar roles value tools that reduce friction, not just features.

  3. Trust Sells: Domain expertise and insider credibility are powerful drivers for adoption.

  4. Solve for Scalability: Addressing second-order problems builds tools that can grow with your customers.

  5. Customer-Centricity Wins: Pivoting based on real feedback isn’t just agile—it’s the fastest path to relevance.

My Final Thoughts

Listening is an underrated superpower.

Throughout my conversation with James, it became clear that success—whether in building a company, solving a problem, or forging a connection—starts with truly hearing people.

Not just listening to respond or validate your assumptions, but listening to uncover truths you might not expect.

Cyft’s journey is a testament to this.

A single customer interview didn’t just improve their product; it fundamentally changed their future and success.

That level of openness, coupled with the courage to pivot and adapt, is something we can all learn from, whether we’re selling to CISOs, leading a GTM strategy, or navigating our own entrepreneurial path.

Here’s what I’m leaving this episode with:

Are we listening enough?

Are we willing to challenge our own assumptions and let our audience guide us toward better decisions?

If there’s one thing this conversation reinforced, it’s this:

The answers are out there.

But it takes humility, curiosity, and a relentless focus on the people you’re trying to serve to find them.

Now, what’s the one conversation you’ve been putting off that could change everything?

Go have it.

Until next time,
Dani

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